Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: I feel so at home with myself.
And that's really what everybody needs, is to feel at home with themselves, exactly where they are, and do the work, whatever that work is, whatever it is that's going to get you to that place of feeling home with yourself.
[00:00:15] Speaker B: I'm Diana Earley, and I've spent most of my life learning firsthand what privilege actually costs.
The legacy control, the family expectations, the guilt of feeling trapped in a life everyone thinks you should be grateful for. If you've ever wondered why having everything still feels like something's missing, you're in the right place.
Welcome to Pressures of Privilege.
[00:00:42] Speaker C: My guest today is Sarah Vetter, CEO of the Solve Money Institute. For over 18 years, she has worked side by side with Lind Twist, author of the Soul of Money. And along the way, she's become a teacher in her own right.
Together, they lead courses and programs that help women step into their own power.
Sarah is also a master fundraiser. She has raised millions of dollars for causes she believes in most of all. The Pachamama alliance, which protects the Amazon rainforest. She has led over 50 trips deep into the Amazon to work with indigenous leaders.
She has also worked with the Nobel Women's Initiative, women who won the Nobel Peace Prize for leading movements for peace and justice around the world.
Today, her focus is on helping strong, accomplished women reconnect with their truth and lead from the body, not just the mind. Sarah, welcome.
[00:01:37] Speaker A: Thank you. So wonderful to be here.
[00:01:40] Speaker C: Yeah, it's so wonderful to connect with you. I really enjoyed reading Lynn's books over the years.
The Soul of Money and the Commit Living the Committed Life.
[00:01:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Lynn's what we call each other. We're a work wife. She's my work wife. I've been working side by side with her for now, 18 years, which kind of blows me away. But it's never a dull moment, and it's always inspiring. And it's just my. My life's work.
[00:02:08] Speaker C: And you spent your whole career around money and giving. So what. What did money mean to you growing up?
[00:02:13] Speaker A: And how did that change? I guess I kind of call it. My money story is.
And I came about all this very, really in a beautiful way. So my. My money story is I grew up in wealth. I mean, compared to today's wealth. I mean, I don't know, but wealthy and didn't really know it. But I grew up in a California, Central California Italian, a big Italian ranching family. We grew almonds and had lots of land. And as I grew up, I realized, oh, I think we have wealth. You Know, you know, as a kid, you don't really know it, but it was, it came from my mother. It was inherited wealth.
And wealth was like a forbidden topic in our family. And all the power resided in my mother, who had the wealth. And we, even as a young kid, we knew that, we knew that my mom was the powerful one because of her, because of the, because of the money.
And, but we couldn't really talk about it. It was like a hidden, secret thing. So I, I, I had a really strange relationship with money. I knew, you know, as a kid how to, how to manipulate it, you know, through my mother and I, it had me see my father as less powerful or less influential. I corrected that relationship as life went on. But at the time it was, it was like that. So it was a really.
Everything was about appearances. Everything was how you looked, everything was about the exterior. So I grew up as thinking I had to be just perfect on the outside and it didn't really matter what was going on on the inside. So I, I, it was a very kind of a harsh, dark upbringing in some ways. I mean, we had all the things, but I didn't have the, the affection and the love and the things that I have with my own children.
So it was a really kind of messed up relationship with money for sure.
And then I went to college, met my husband, I call my husband, because we're no longer married. And he, I married into someone with wealth. So I married into wealth, came from wealth. And he came from not, you know, not wealth. So it was a different kind of wealth.
And, But I always, all my, most of my life, it was always making sure that the exterior was the right thing. It was so focused on how, what I look like, how I am, how I'm showing up, what my image is. And I never, even when I had way more money than we needed, marrying my husband and living this beautiful life in Silicon Valley, I never felt like I had enough. I never, and the more I had, the less I felt, felt like enough. I felt, felt like I just was always trying to keep up with the Joneses. I was always trying to, you know, create, create, spend more, look better, do the things that you get trapped in. No matter it is not even about a month amount because I had plenty, but I felt like I didn't have enough, but that I wasn't enough. And I really grappled with that and grappled with it. And then the marriage broke down. The kids were, I had three small, we had three kids, they were small. And our marriage broke Down. And then my whole life just went into that dark, dark, deep night of the soul. And that's when I had to kind of scratch my way up, really dig into what was behind this not enoughness that didn't have to do with money, because I had plenty.
And that's when I sort of went into the eat, love, prayer part of my life and discovered Lynn through a guru that I had met and then through going to the Amazon. And that was the beginning. The beginning, because I realized I'm like the poster child for a really screwed up relationship with money. And how can I, how can I shift that? What's it gonna take to shift that?
So that's sort of my money story.
[00:06:10] Speaker C: Wow. You discovered Lynn and you had this dark night of the soul. How did that, this, the relationship to yourself shift?
[00:06:20] Speaker A: It shifted because I hit such a low. I mean, really numbing out, you know, drinking, too much depression. And depression was in my family. My mother really suffered from depression her whole life.
I didn't really realize that, but looking, looking back.
So I was at such a low and even contemplated depression not being here, you know, with three children. I mean, it made. Made no sense. So I got help.
And then I started to realize, oh, my God. There's like an internal part of your body. There's not just exterior how you show up, but there's like a, an internal part that's really screwed up. So I went in deep, you know, with, with body, Body courses and yoga and meditation. And again, I got connected to someone named Sadhguru, was a guru. And I thought, oh, my God. It started to have me see that it doesn't have to do anything with the exterior. It's nice that I have that, but that's not really what it's about. And there's an interior love I needed to find for myself. Yeah, I was in that, like, oh, my God, this is like this whole new world now. What do I do? I'm not married. I still have the children, obviously. But I, I, I, I want to work. I want to do something. Okay. I want to do something with this package and this experience that I have. And that's when Lynn and I connected. And she looked at me and I looked at her, and she's like, you've got to be in my life. I'm like, I need to be in your life. I don't know how. So I kind of followed her around. I was, I was like, her just following her around and seeing what she was doing. And pretty soon she's like, you Got to come on board here. So I. It just. It took me to get down to the deep, dark, ugly, you know, night of the soul. I mean, just like, oh, I. I would think back at that time, and I. I can't even. I don't even recognize who I was then. To really attach myself, which is what I love to do, attach myself to powerful, amazing, deep women to work with. Like, that's. I. I just.
[00:08:24] Speaker C: I just.
[00:08:25] Speaker A: I knew that together we could create an incredible combination. And that was the beginning of this incredible life I've had now for 18 years.
[00:08:34] Speaker C: So how's your relationship with money?
[00:08:35] Speaker B: Changed.
[00:08:36] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Now I've healed all my relationships with my family of origin. That was also. A lot of that was pretty screwed up. Whatever I have, I'm absolutely content. I. I have enough. I have more than enough. I. I'm wise about the way in which I spend and where I give and what I do. Like, I just am at peace with it. And I don't have the FOMO anymore. You know, I used to go by someone's big, beautiful house and, you know, have a huge fomo, or go into someone who looked like they had it all financially and get trapped in that, and, oh, I need to look better or, you know, think. I used to get so like that, and now I admire it. I think it's fantastic. Whatever people have, whatever people don't have. But I realize there's an internal beauty in myself and in life that has nothing to do with the big house and the fancy cars and the multiple homes and. And all the things that I had. And I still love that. I mean, I have a deep aesthetic appreciation for all nice things, and I love having my nice things, and I love my home.
But it's different. It's a different relationship. It's solid. I feel so at home with myself, and that's really what everybody needs, is to feel at home with themselves, exactly where they are and do the work, do whatever. Whatever that work is, whatever it is that's gonna get you to that place of feeling home with yourself.
[00:10:00] Speaker C: I've been around people who vilify wealth, who think, like, if you're wealthy, that means that, you know, you must have gotten it in a.
[00:10:06] Speaker A: In a. In a immoral way, or.
[00:10:09] Speaker C: There are people who just love wealth, and they just love it more than they love being a human, if that makes any sense. How would you talk to somebody who thinks, oh, well, if they're wealthy, they probably are. They. They got it in some immoral way.
[00:10:24] Speaker A: Well, that may Be true. I mean, we don't really work people who taught it in a moral way. I mean, but that's the world, right? Especially now, I think, because we've worked with so many primarily women of wealth that you would look at and it would appear like they have everything, but they're grappling with the same things we're all grappling with. With relationships, with their relationship with money, with feeling guilty about having as much money with a hand with would I have with wondering am I giving back enough and how can I give back to make a difference? And I don't like to be like put up on a pedestal.
I want to relate to people in my personal relationships and my relationship with my friends and my co workers and et cetera. So that we've worked with so many women of wealth who struggle with feeling that enoughness, with feeling sufficient, with feeling like kind of they're really here to give back to the world, but still grappling with the internal struggle with, with relationships, with life, with, with the image that the world has of you if you do have resources. So because we've worked with so many women that struggle. I, I don't, I, I think everyone has their issues. Everyone has their problem. Everyone's trying to do the best they can. And Dolly Parton's death and her absolute acceptance of every human being on the planet Earth. I've never, I'm so blown away that on social media or in any way, there's not one person that says a bad thing about her.
And she's such an example, right? Just, just love people. Everyone wants to be loved.
Every human being wants to be loved. Every human being wants to be seen full stop, right? Seen and loved. And that has nothing to do with your wealth.
Nothing to do with your wealth. And so we really work with women that we help them get to that place because of life circumstances or their money story growing up, or their past or their harsh relationships or relationships that broke down. All of that is in service of getting to the place where you have a solid, beautiful, clean, clear, whole relationship with money.
So that, that's what has me not villainized. Because we work with so many people of, of, of wealth that it's, that they're, you know, they may come across as a certain way because they're scared too or because they're wanting to hold on to it. You know, money's flows, money's a current. But you know, when you have a lot. I was like that too. I wanted to kind of hold onto it and keep it for myself and. And not there was time. I didn't want to share it. I just wanted to keep accumulating. So you get trapped in that, and then you realize that doesn't feel good. That's such an empty way to be. And it's so. And it's. You're not in collaboration with people. You're not in communion with people.
So we really work on those very things with. With. With people and again, primarily women.
And that has shifted how I have seen villainizing wealth, because Lynn's book is
[00:13:41] Speaker C: called the Soul of Money. So in your words, what do you think that phrase means?
[00:13:47] Speaker A: Well, money doesn't have soul, but we do, right? And underneath the dollar amount or money, there is soul.
You know, we work with the Nobel Peace Prize laureates who work in unbelievable parts of the world with, you know, work with women that have absolutely nothing and have been through, you know, atrocious things. They don't have the resources, but their soul, their capacity to give is unbelievable. And their sense of fun and dancing and embodiment is like.
It's what sustains them, what they work together. They work in community. They work, you know, so deeply in that way that. That really has shifted my relationship with money, too, and being part of that.
[00:14:41] Speaker C: But.
[00:14:41] Speaker A: But we have soul, so Lonnie doesn't, but we have soul. So that's. That's really what we unpack. You know, we unpack what we call the three toxic myths around people's relation with money. Money, there's not enough, which is we all.
We wake up with. There's not enough time, energy, money, friends, love. It's sort of a mindset. It's in the culture. You know, when you order something on Amazon, they give you 15 other options because that one thing you ordered wasn't enough. The culture right now, the culture is there's not enough.
And when you're in that space, the second toxic myth is more is better. Because when you are in, there's not enough. And I was a perfect example of that. I always had to have more. Not just one pair of black pants, but ten pair of black pants. You know, that's a silly example, but when you're in a space of your, you know, it's a. It's an unconscious, unexamined assumption. There's not enough. More is better. You grasp, you want, you think if you get more, that's gonna feed your soul, and it doesn't.
And that leads you to the third toxic myth, which. Which is. That's just the way that it is. So that, that's like a source of resignation. Again, people of wealth, that's a really big one because that's just the way this is. Well, all this is going on in the world. I can't do anything about it. So I'm just going to resign myself to the way it is and not get out there and make a difference and really unpack what is, what is really so that you are enough, you know, that more isn't better and that isn't just the way that is. We all have our part to roll. Big part, small part. You have a part, I have a part. And, and, and that's how we're going to shift what's going on in the world.
[00:16:26] Speaker C: It's wonderful because you teach that money is a mirror. Money shows a side of ourselves.
[00:16:32] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:16:33] Speaker C: So if I'll give you an example, like I'm not very good at selling my coaching service and there's a certain guilt that like I've got more than enough. So why am I asking somebody who might not be at my net worth level, asking them to pay me for my time?
[00:16:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I just say about that. We don't call it selling, we call it enrolling.
Oh, you're not selling something. You're in. You enrolled me to be on this podcast. We enroll amazing people to be a part of Pachuan alliance, which is the nonprofit organization that Lynn co founded and I'm a huge part of and I fundraise for that. It's not, and, and it's not selling. It's enrolling someone in something that you know is going to benefit them.
You know, you know, your work, you know, deep in your work, exactly what it is. And it would be a disservice to not, not let people see that and know that no matter if you've done well and you're doing well financially, fantastic. You have the capacity to bring people into the your experience and your life experience and what you know, you're enrolling them in a new way of looking at things. You're enrolling them in a way to break through issues that have been holding them back. You're an enroller, not a seller. We don't, we don't like the whole marketing thing gives us goosebumps. We're not so good at it either and we really promoting yourself. But when we come at it, because we're right now in big fundraising mode, so we're out there raising challenge matches and stacking the deck for our big event coming up and Lynn and I will meet and we're like, okay, who do we want to enroll today?
And when we get on the phone with someone, it's an enrollment conversation. It's seeing where they are. And then we're enrolling them in something that isn't about us.
It's about something bigger than us. And you're going to enroll someone not about you, but something that some. A knowledge that you have, a knowing that you have that will benefit their lives.
So that shifts the selling thing. So don't say selling anymore. Say you're enrolling.
I like that.
[00:18:42] Speaker C: No, but I also see people who are maybe, you know, resourced, have the same issue when, you know, asking for money, even, you know, asking, you know, people to give money to a nonprofit. They have a hard. When it gets to the money conversation. They freeze and they, they get very awkward.
[00:18:58] Speaker A: You ask for the money, they can say, no, thank you, bless and release.
But maybe there's some other connection or down the road they could be a part of it. Or they say, yes, but if you don't ask, you don't know. I mean, you know, it's like, it does take. Take courage. But if you sort of devote some time in your day, okay, I'm going to enroll for the next hour. And you pick the people that you want to really enroll that you really think would benefit from this, and you get a yes in there somewhere, then it helps you keep going. Like, you have to devote the time to it and commit to really knowing who you want to enroll, do the research or whatever it is you need to do about that person. And then you. And then you just go for it. And if it's a no, there's could be something underneath the no.
There could be some gift that you can receive or you can give that is in the know that could be a future connection, or they may know someone that is interested in what you're doing. Like, there's, there's. There's always something valuable in a no. And it's. And we don't take it as, oh, we just got rejected, let's enroll the next person. Oh, that call really inspired me. I got to know this person. She's incredible. He. She's incredible. That's really.
That, that's really golden. And then we go on to the next one. But we devote time to it to really, really enroll people in whatever it is we're up to. Almost everyone we've ever experienced experiences some sort of not enoughness in their relationship with money. I mean, full stop, again, it doesn't really matter the amount and so it's just a matter of taking the time to unpack that. Is it your money story? Is your upbringing around money? Is it in your, your marriage or your partnership where, where money got wacky? Is it that you had a lot and you lost it, or you had nothing and then suddenly you have a lot? You don't feel you deserve it because it came from your husband or it came from a family, or it came from inheritance, or did you make it on your own so you want to just hoard it and you're too terrified to even let go of a penny of it because you came from nothing.
It's really, it's really a personal answer. You know, it's really digging into your money story and, and to be able to. There's not like a, A stamp standard that I could say about everyone because everyone is so absolutely unique in their relationship with money. And it's, it's the hidden secret. Like, I think money and sex, you know, people don't want to talk about that either one of those things. Like, in a way, I wanted to show that I had a lot of money by looking a certain way, but I didn't want to reveal anything. And I also didn't because it was such a forbidden thing topic in my upbringing, in my marriage. I didn't really want to know what we had, but I knew by what we did and how we lived that we had a lot. But I never really asked.
And so when we divorced, I was traumatized because I didn't really. I had to kind of figure out what do I have and do I have enough and is there enough? And why didn't I ever ask these things? Because I was terrified because that's how I grew up. You just didn't ask my mom, you just didn't ask my dad. You just. It was like this forbidden topic. Do the appearance thing and how you look and show up a certain way and have nice things around. That's the most you get to know.
So I think it just goes back to your money story.
[00:22:30] Speaker C: Yeah, because you mentioned the power in the beginning, that, that money kind of equals power in some relationships.
And I find the power dynamic quite interesting, especially in a marriage, for example, if a woman's got more money and the husband doesn't, how does that work?
[00:22:46] Speaker A: Yeah, well, like I said, I didn't, I didn't ask. I just kept spending. I just kept assuming we had, you know, a great amount of wealth, by the way, in which we lived and where we lived and all the things we had so yeah, I would say he had the power in the money part of it. But we equal, we equally, we were pretty good. We equally had our own unique power. But for sure, the first thing is that money does have power because that's where you can accumulate all the things and that's how society sees it. And that's the image, especially now with social media. So, you know, in our faces 24 hours a day, like insanely like you look at the, the beauty and the money and the people of wealth and it's, it's hard not to associate that with power. But that's not always necessarily so until you get to know someone.
[00:23:40] Speaker C: It's hard I think too for women who've been raised in a very traditional sense, if they have a husband who's, you know, comes from, doesn't have anything.
It's, it's hard I think, for, for women to, I know, I know some women, they have a hard time with that relationship dynamic where he doesn't have anything and she's the one who's brought the resources into the marriage and to
[00:24:03] Speaker A: feel respect for him in a way. There's power and influence and generosity in so many other ways than a dollar sign. And we all know that, you know, we, we know that. I mean, so it's really digging into that relationship and digging into what's that, what's the story you're telling yourself is that he's not as good or he's not as powerful or he's not as strong or he's not as relevant because he doesn't have money. No. He supports you, he's in relationship with you, he's co parents with you. He brings so many assets to your relationship that you have to, you have to really examine that, examine that relationship with money and why it is that you're. Again, it probably goes back to some societal thing. Culturally, what is out there for us, it's just like impossible. And then it, you have to unpack that and then really see what is the value, what's the real value of your partner? Why did you marry him? What's that value? Didn't. Well, some people do marry for money. But you know, you, if, and if he did marry for money then, and he doesn't have money, then you need to unpack that too. But there's so much juicy resources and, and power in, in relationships that have nothing to do with money.
[00:25:25] Speaker C: Well, I'm hoping she's listening to this so she'll reach out, maybe get a
[00:25:29] Speaker A: therapist who knows or talk to us.
[00:25:33] Speaker C: This is, I just wanted to segue into your Amazon trips. You've taken over 50 of them. And what did the indigenous leaders there teach you about wealth that you didn't learn anywhere else?
[00:25:44] Speaker A: Yes. So this is through Pachamam alliance, an alliance with indigenous people, the, and conscious, committed people in the modern world for the sustainability of life. And we work in the most pristine part of the Amazon rainforest. It's incredible work. This is our 30th anniversary, so it's pretty big deal right now. It's all right here. Well, first of all, indigenous just had to learn about money.
Their whole life wasn't about community. They don't even have a word for I.
So everything's in community. Everything, you know, back in the day was barter. You know, I'll, I'll help you build your home if you help, you know, hunt. You know, for my family, like everything was barter, barter, barter. So they, they didn't really get like, what, what is money? You can't eat it, you can't hunt for it. Like what, what is the point of this thing? So I, I've learned so much, much from them about that. Their, their, their capacity to share and be in community. And there's no, they, they have no hierarchy as far as, yes, there's the head of the household, but they don't have any hierarchy around money. They do everything in community. They decide if something's going to amiss in the family. It's a family decision. It's a community decision.
It's never like I have, I have more money, so I'm more powerful for. Than you. No, it's never, it's never like that. So I've been going for 18 years now and it's still like that.
You know, they are so, so, so about community and, and supporting each other and being with each other and helping each other. And yes, they need money now to get to, you know, to get planes, to get people to come to the Amazon. I mean there's lots of things they need money for, but they, they, they acquire money to the community. It's not, there's not like a person that gets all the money and then doles it out. No, it goes to the community.
So that, that really is like two of my biggest lessons amongst many others, you know, just about the sustainability of our great mother Earth and vitality and the importance of that right now and always.
[00:28:00] Speaker C: What did that feel like learning that?
[00:28:02] Speaker A: I kind of didn't believe it at first. They're like, really? I mean, I just it took me many, many journeys and trips to the Amazon to really get it. And then all these years, now that I've been doing it, it's, it's, it's still that. And I really reflect on that now.
And a lot of the indigenous are out speaking in the world and they're, they're so humble.
They're so absolutely sure of their stand and what they stand for, and that's what sustains them. That, that's where their, their wealth comes in, in their knowledge and in their knowing and in their connection. You know, the.
A tree is a person to them. It's, it's a part of their life. It's not like something else out there.
So it just, it's, it just, it humbles me every time to go back to the Amazon and it, you know, because I can get caught up in, in accumulating and things like that. And I get humbled every time I go there.
And it's hugely a transformational journey.
[00:29:08] Speaker C: How are they towards you when you come?
[00:29:10] Speaker A: Oh, my God, they love us. They love us because they want people in the modern world to experience that so they can go back.
They have a mandate. If you're coming to help us, don't waste your time. But if you're coming because your liberation is bound up with ours, then let's work together.
And you need to go back and change the dream of the modern world.
So having, you know, and they know that one person coming to the Amazon can impact thousands of people. So they love, you know, it's very, it's an invitational only, kind of. Some of the trips are invitational only. But actually anyone can go on them if you go on the Pachamama site.
But so they know the impact that we have in the modern world to go back and share the experience that we've had in the Amazon. So they love, love, love. And we have a deep, profound relationship with the indigenous. It's out of respect.
It's 30 years.
So there's. We don't abuse that or use that in a way improperly. We really just go there to.
They're in charge. When we're there, they are in charge. And we go to just be in deep space with them and, and to help us shift how we see the world.
[00:30:27] Speaker C: Was there a moment on those trips that changed you or how you see your own life?
[00:30:33] Speaker A: We would do a cultural exchange where we would go spend time in someone's home and, you know, to see the way in which they are with each other and with the children and you Know, the head of the household is with his wife, and the families all live together, and the sisters are all, you know, it's just one big community. And to see that.
And every morning before dawn, they wake up, they sip tea, they share their dreams. It's a dream culture. And whatever their dreams show is how is. Is. Is fact. They don't go get second opinions. And it dictates their day sometimes. So good day for hunting. Good day. Day to redo the roof. You know, like, they really.
They trust in life. They don't question things.
So when I come back, I'm like, I trust myself more. I trust who I am, I trust why I'm here.
So there's a trust and a love for family and a sense of community. That is probably. Are my biggest teachings from coming back there. It's what we lose. We're such a I focused culture. What's in it for me? What's in it for me? What can. What. What. What am I gonna get out of this? We just.
That's the culture that is just out the door every minute of every day. And it's not like that there. So it's humbling.
[00:31:58] Speaker C: Cause you talk a lot about, you know, leading with. From the body, not the mind. What does this embodied actually mean for like a woman that you're maybe coaching or. Or who's in a boardroom?
[00:32:11] Speaker A: Well, I would say that came about because everything was going great in my life. Working soul money, potual alliance.
And the one thing that was a little stuck was my embodiment.
You know, I still kind of had a certain way in which I showed up.
And I knew there was something really deep in there that needed to get discovered. So I dug deep into the embodiment world. And then I worked closely with a woman named Regina Thomashauer, who started the School of Women of the Arts, which was a deep dive into really looking at what.
What in my body makes me alive, what in my body gives me pleasure, what in my body is not showing up?
So I had to dig into my body story. It's like the money story. And there's embodied the body story.
So I created with a woman who I've worked with deeply in the Mama Gina world, and then deeply, just the two of us, one on one.
Like, how can we bring embodiment into the world of your relationship with money?
Everybody has a body story.
Everybody has a money story.
And your body story is as powerful as that.
So I just learned practices and ways of maintaining my embodiment. It's like exercising it's like a muscle which keeps me vibrant, which keeps me alive, which has me own my body, own my power, own my vitality.
And it's like a practice that we now incorporate in the retreat we do call the Embodied Woman.
It's like money.
We want to keep it all tightened up and tight, and we don't want to let it out there, and we don't want to express it. And it also isn't about a size or what your actual body looks like. It's really.
Embodiment is on the. From the inside out. And it's. It just proved to be such powerful. And once I dove into the. My embodiment and. And my body story and becoming alive, then it impacted my work at Soul Money and Pachamalian so powerfully because my enrolling, the way I showed up, the way I walked in a room, I was so powerful from the inside out.
I was so content with exactly who I am inside and out.
And that brought a vitality and aliveness and like a magnetism for other people. Like, I want what you have, whatever that is. And I kind of didn't even know what it was, but it just woke me up. So it was like the final piece for me in the work that I'm already doing, which is amazing.
[00:35:09] Speaker C: Yeah, so you. You went from, like performing to having a presence that was full of vitality and.
[00:35:17] Speaker A: Yeah, like, from. From exactly. From performing to being. And I was a good performer. I could fake it until I made it with the rest of them because I. That's kind of how I grew up. Right. Just put it on the outside, but there. And I wasn't all just on the outside, but this kind of broke open. The. I now I am it. Now I'm being it. Now I.
Now I just can stand up and be in front of people. And it's. It just. It comes through me and I bring a lot of play into our work and fun because as we grow up, as we mature as life circumstances, that's the part we let. As a kid, you know, that's. That's how we. We learned everything on the playground.
You know, when you're a kid, you learned everything on the playground. Like, bring back the playground. So I bring a lot of play and joy and humor, I think is vitally important. It's one of my biggest strengths. It's how I got through life, was being funny. And I think fun, play, laughter, dance. Embodiment is absolutely so important.
[00:36:22] Speaker C: Designing your life. You know, Bill Burnett and Dave Evans at Stanford, they've Developed a new program called designing meaning in your life. And, and fun is a huge aspect of that. We take ourselves way too seriously.
[00:36:37] Speaker A: And then, and then think when you do have, do something really wacky, spontaneous. You laughed your head off. It was so fun. Just think how that makes you feel at that moment. You don't care about anything. You're just, you're so in your body. You're so whole and complete and you feel great about it and it's energizing.
I bring in the most serious of meetings. I always bring humor and fun into the meeting.
That's so cool.
[00:37:07] Speaker C: In your courses, like the Sophia Circle, for example, that's another program you offer.
You bring women together in a circle. So that's where there's like sisterhood. Yes.
[00:37:18] Speaker A: Well, we haven't done that one for several years, but yes, we bring women into the circle and we work on all the things I'm talking about, you know, your relationship with money, with life, with finding your purpose, finding your mission, embodying all those things that we work through. We have also an intimate six month program that's application online that is also a deep, deep dive and that's beautiful. And then we do fundraising courses, which is great. It's enrolling, not selling.
And we really help you to the ask and help you feel good about that. And then we do a soul of money course. We just did that at Modern Elder Academy, which is a great place, love that place. So we did that. It's a 14 in person, three, three day retreat where we unpack all the things, the toxic myths.
We look at, you know, scarcity, sufficiency, abundance, your relationship with all that and do exercises and it's really great.
So yeah, we, we love working with women and men too. Yeah.
[00:38:29] Speaker C: Because what happens in a group that
[00:38:31] Speaker A: you can't do alone, like in person, in a group, always it's. You learn like what I'm learning from you, you're what you're learning from me. You learn from each other. Also gives you the courage to speak out and also not feel alone. And also like, oh my gosh, this person is going through that. That how could that be? So it's like any, any circle, any group, you know, you learn so mostly from each other and it really. And then you get encouragement and reinforcement and you get support from other women or men in the group. So it really always, you know, it's impo. It's so hard to do this on your own. You know, we need community now more than ever. We need community.
So being in Anything is in community. And of course, you know, being with Lynn, every word that comes out of her mouth is the wisest, most inspiring, amazing thing that will empower you and just be like, oh, my God, you'll be writing down every word she says. And then being with me is a lot of fun and also, you know, some great things come out of it. But we love being in groups and we love being in community and we love working with groups of people because it's. We just came back from and Modern Elder Academy and we were just fired up because of the group of, of people that were in the room and what transpired in only like three days.
And it really was powerful and beautiful. You gotta be in groups. And one on one's great too. But that's just, that's a different, that's a different thing. You know, that's, that's. We love what we do. Obviously do one on one as well. But the community and being in group is always so fulfilling for the leader, for the teacher, as well as for each other.
[00:40:18] Speaker C: Well, you and Lynn say when the power of love replaces the love of power, the world will become a different place. What does that look like in real life?
[00:40:27] Speaker A: It looks like Dolly Parton.
I love that. I'm not kidding. She is. I, I'm. I just, I can't get enough of her. She is the absolute epitome of that.
No matter who it was, she never, she saw the good in everybody. Lynn's like that. I'm, I mean, I'm like, that was a harder stretch for me because I used to be a little bit cynical or, you know, critical.
I'm not, I'm not like that. And anymore. And I just think Dolly Parton's my answer. Look at, look at her and all her, you know, sparkles and unique way of coming out. Like, you know, like a, that would be, that would, wouldn't be for everybody. But she, she has, she, she, she said something. I have no regrets because I'm a, a spiritual person and I lead through love.
And she lives that. Lynn lives that. And I've seen what, how powerful that is and that that's the real power.
Dolly Parton's my response.
And I just love the way that she had these comebacks, you know, when
[00:41:36] Speaker C: Barbara Walters was being a little mean to her and she was like, well, I wouldn't stoop so low as to be fashionable. I just love that line.
[00:41:43] Speaker A: She, in some way reminds me a little bit of Lynn in that her capacity to embody unconditional love, to every person she encounters. And I continue to learn from that. You know, I continue to strive to be that. And I continue to not see people from what you see on the outside.
[00:42:05] Speaker C: If a woman just took one step forward toward living fully expressed, what could her life look like a year from now?
[00:42:12] Speaker A: It could look like pure contentment.
It can look like an inner acceptance of who you are, having the space to now give and be who you want out in the world because you've worked, worked on internally your relationships with your body and your money.
And it can, it can give you purpose and really look and see what is your purpose in life, in this life, with whatever time you have left in your life.
[00:42:44] Speaker C: That sounds wonderful. How can they find you?
[00:42:47] Speaker A: They can find us at the soul of money.org or soul of money.org and if you're interested in Pachamama Alliance. Pachamama.
And you can see all the things that we're up to. And we have something called Wednesday Wisdom. So every Wednesday, if you get on our mailing list, you get this beautiful. It's not a sales thing we don't market.
It's really just teachings and what's up for us and beautiful stories. But it's called Wednesday Wisdom. So that's a way to get to know us a little more. Yeah.
[00:43:21] Speaker C: Is that done on Zoom or it comes on email.
[00:43:25] Speaker A: So if you go to the soulmoney.org sign up for our newsletter, basically, and then you'll automatically get the Wednesday Wisdom. And there's online courses that are evergreen, so they're ongoing. There's fundraising from the heart, Soul of money, peace and freedom with money and life. And then in 2027, we're up to some cool things. We're going to do some more live on online courses and etc. And you'll see the embodied woman in there and learn more about that. So it's all. It's all there.
[00:43:56] Speaker C: All right. Oh, cue Sarah.
[00:44:01] Speaker B: If this episode landed for you, share it with someone who might need to hear it. And if you haven't already, subscribe so you don't miss what's coming. But here's the real thing. I want you to know if you're carrying something you can't talk about, if you have every resource except someone who actually understands what wealth costs. I work one on one with people like you navigating exactly that. You can reach me@diana oehrli.com.
[00:44:29] Speaker C: thanks for listening.
