Episode Transcript
[00:00:04] The problem with idealizing the poor and why it's another form of control in April 2014, I walked through Villa San Michel on the island of Capri.
[00:00:15] My kids ran ahead of me, their footsteps echoing under the white stone arches.
[00:00:21] The floor was a mosaic of broken tiles arranged into patterns. Outside, scooters buzzed and tourists swarmed, but inside everything was still light, filtered through vines growing on the pergola and slid across marble busts and twisted columns. You could tell this was someone's home, though spare. The objects were curated. Dark wood tables, shelves lined with old plates, A grandfather clock ticking in the corner, an open book on a writing desk. Copper pots sat on the stove, as if the owner would walk through the door any minute.
[00:00:56] As we turned a corner, my children's voices dropped, as if the space shushed them. Roman statues and marble busts lined a corridor.
[00:01:06] Then I saw it on the floor. A mosaic image of a skeleton holding a jug of wine and a jug of water.
[00:01:13] Oddly playful in a space so calm. This was my introduction to Axel Munde, the Swedish doctor and author who built the villa. Hence the skeleton. I had never heard of him until that day, and walking through his home felt strangely familiar. It was the same sensation I had had in Ernest Hemingway's house on Key west, as if the person's essence was still in the rooms.
[00:01:35] Then we stepped into the garden. Birdsong everywhere, pergolas wrapped in wisteria, impatiens dotting the stone pathways. Olive trees, rosemary, bougainville climbing ancient walls.
[00:01:48] And at the terrace's edge, facing the Bay of Naples, sat an Egyptian sphinx carved from red granite. More than 3,000 years ago, gazing out at the water, Monte said he saw the sphinx in a dream and set sail to find it on the Italian mainland.
[00:02:05] And somehow he did. That's when it happened. A pull on my chest.
[00:02:11] This is how I'm supposed to live.
[00:02:14] My kids called me from further down the path.
[00:02:16] For a second, watching them, framed by flowers, I saw myself clearly.
[00:02:22] On the outside, my life looked settled. The kids were in school in the Swiss Alps, cold controlled, beautiful, isolated.
[00:02:29] My friends in the US Were shocked at how simple my life actually was.
[00:02:33] But emotionally, I was scattered, in exile.
[00:02:38] Maybe that's why I chose Capri for their spirit.
[00:02:41] My great, great aunt Mabel Norman, an American portrait painter and founder of a bird sanctuary in Rhode island, married into the Cheerio family of Capri, one of the island's most influential lineages. She helped fund her brother in law's natural history museum, and she built artistic bridges between Newport and the island. Long before the phrase cultural exchange existed, my family lived entirely in the US and I was raising two children alone. I had moved constantly in my 20s and 30s.
[00:03:14] Heartbreak, disappointment, relocation, repeat.
[00:03:18] The kid's academic schedule anchored me, yet I was just stuck. I thought I was building a life in Switzerland. In truth, I was avoiding something old family wounds I didn't want to touch. The kind that keep you from letting people in. The kind that make intimate relationships feel impossible.
[00:03:36] Villa San Michel showed me the other side of avoidance.
[00:03:39] It hinted at another way of living, one with purpose, competence, autonomy, beauty and connection. In the gift shop, I bought Dr. Munte's book the Story of San Michel. And in a nearby cafe I started reading while the kids got to work on coloring books. Munte wrote, my house must be open to the sun, to the wind and the voice of the sea, just like a Greek temple. And light, light, light everywhere.
[00:04:07] I wanted that too. I learned that he charged wealthy Parisians high fees and used that income to treat the poor for free.
[00:04:16] I liked that. It echoed my own work with a charitable trust in Rhode Island. But as I read further, something didn't sit right. He romanticized the poor as noble while dismissing his own class as frivolous and emotionally weak.
[00:04:31] His contempt for the wealthy read like projected self loathing. He mocked the emotional suffering of the wealthy while living in one of the most exquisite villas in Europe.
[00:04:41] He idealized the simple poor publicly, while participating privately in a life of privilege.
[00:04:47] At first I saw his philosophy as a solution to a contradiction I'd felt my whole life. I could glorify my father's working class lineage while condemning my mother's aristocratic one.
[00:04:59] Writers have been doing that trick for centuries, especially wealthy writers. Tolstoy is a perfect example. When I first read a confession, he portrayed peasants as spiritually elevated, closer to the truth and to God. I bought his argument completely as it vibed with a then boyfriend's own opinion. Then I learned more about his life. Here was a man born, a count, surrounded by comfort. And if his wife Sophia's diaries are to be believed in, he had affairs with the very women he idealized and who served him. He formalized this idealization by writing that book, Idealization on the page. Power behind closed Doors. Some people marry their abusers as a way of righting a wrong. Look at men who marry their schoolteachers. That is Macron. The control dynamic rises again.
[00:05:47] It's a familiar pattern. We had our own version of it in the family. An aristocratic relative who believed in le droit des cuissages or the right, the thigh.
[00:05:57] He quoted Scripture to justify taking advantage of the women under his roof. Meanwhile, he scorned rich Americans while living off them.
[00:06:05] Montaigne warned us about this long before Tolstoy and Montaigne. In his essays, he wrote that people project fantasies onto entire groups, praising peasants for their simplicity one moment, condemning nobles that next, as if virtue and vice were sorted neatly along class lines. They are not. And here's a truth I've come to see.
[00:06:27] Idealizing any group isn't compassionate. It's control.
[00:06:31] The moment we idealize a group, we stop seeing them. Once we stop seeing them, it becomes easy to wield power over them in private.
[00:06:40] And shame keeps us from seeing ourselves. So what do I make of Munta now?
[00:06:46] At the time that I discovered him, I shared his disdain of the wealthy. I even avoided calling myself a philanthropist.
[00:06:53] That changed in 2024. I was working with Stanford's Bill Burnett and Howard Kaplan, using the Designing youg Life framework. I confessed my shame around being a philanthropist. Burnett challenged me. He told me about Mackenzie Scott, the ex wife of Jeff Bezos, who was given more than $19 billion in no strings attachment gifts to nonprofits.
[00:07:15] She's done extraordinary work, he said. Should she hide?
[00:07:19] Of course not.
[00:07:20] Message received. And this paved the way for more realizations. Not only had I internalized class hatred, what struck me most about Monte was not his class politics. It was his blind spot around emotional pain.
[00:07:35] He mocked their suffering as imaginary illnesses, nervous complaints, symptoms of boredom. He believed rich patients were fragile, vain, self absorbed. He once wrote that they became ill at the slightest breeze, while the poor endured real suffering with stoic grace.
[00:07:54] He believed wealth softened people to the point of neurosis.
[00:07:58] Taleb would call this antifragility. Muntah simply sneered at it. But the poor faced the opposite distortion. When life is consumed by survival, the upper levels of human development, creativity, introspection, long term planning, emotional expansion remain out of reach.
[00:08:17] Munde went further. He thought the rich use their illnesses as a social tool to get more attention and feel important.
[00:08:23] One could argue that wellness conferences and tropical places are the ultimate examples of this. He famously wrote that rich women of Paris had seen seasonal nervous disorders the way others have seasonal allergies. The irony? He had his villa on Capri to escape those same Parisian winters.
[00:08:42] He made some exceptions for those wealthy people with strong characters. Both states distort the psyche just in different directions. This is why I don't romanticize any group. Not the poor, not the wealthy. Every background has its strengths and its blind spots. I cherry pick the discipline of my Chinese nanny, the boundaries and simplicity of my Swiss grandparents, the intellect, generosity and industry of my American family. I now believe that vilifying the wealthy is not the way forward. Perhaps Monty suffered from compassion fatigue. Perhaps he was punishing in others what he could not accept in himself.
[00:09:17] What the villa taught me was to aim higher. I can live beautifully and still help people. I can build the life I want without abandoning service.
[00:09:26] Standing there watching my kids scamper through the colonnade, I didn't know yet that I'd become a coach, an author, a podcaster. I didn't know I'd study trauma, nervous systems and metabolic health. I didn't know I'd help people work through the exact patterns that once trapped me. Hyper agency, rootlessness, control, privilege without place.
[00:09:46] All I knew was something had shifted. I came to Capri as a traveler. I left understanding. I needed a home base, a journey I have been on since.
[00:09:56] Years later, after trauma reduction therapy, 12 step recovery groups, intense karate training, jazz and classical piano, moving back to Newport, building my practice and skills through Harvard and Mayo education.
[00:10:08] That moment means even more. It was my first glimpse of an aligned life.
[00:10:13] Simple, rhythmic, relational, beautiful. Anchored, imperfect.
[00:10:19] The villa was elegant yet unpretentious. It was wealthy minimalism. Long before the term existed. It became the blueprint for what I now teach. Wealthy minimalism, the middle path to functional freedom. It started with a doctor on a cliffside who understood wealthy minds better than modern psychiatry does, but lacked the empathy to really help them. And the question I carried home from that island still keeps guides me today.
[00:10:43] What would happen if we stopped idealizing and started truly seeing ourselves, each other, and the environments that shape us?
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